@amydentata years ago I translated an interview with one of Germany's richest people on UBI (which he is a strong proponent of, though more from a libertarian slant than a socialist one)
In it he brings up that whenever he talks about the subject people go "well but won't everyone just be lazy and not do ANYTHING" and said his response to that is always "would you?"
Which immediately murders that line of argument
@outie UBI is definitely more libertarian than socialist, as it retains the private sector and does not innately do anything to break up consolidation of capitalist power
@amydentata there's a particular strain of Libertarians that loves the idea because hey, suddenly we can just dismantle all redistributive measures and public services and any other govt assistance programs
the guy isn't quite so hardline but he does make the "models suggest UBI would be cheaper and more efficient than all other public assistance programs in x state" argument which is juuust on the verge of that line
UK welfare pol
@outie yep same in the US. If you’re on SSI you are forbidden from having more than $2,000 in cash and assets. The marginally better program for disability requires you to have accumulated decades of work before you can collect anything, in other words “chronically ill need not apply”