I feel like there needs to be a concerted push to move all internet infrastructure into the control of the hands of the United Nations — currently the US controls too much.

Organisations such as IANA and ICANN are based in the US, which means they could see pressure to force domain registrars to comply with US laws. This is greatly worrying.

I don't have the political chops to push for this, but I'd happily sign any campaign.

pls not! infrastucture should be controled by it's users, not by some constructed entity having the authority to rule over others.

apolish nationalism. They are a threat to humanity. And yes, the UN is part in facilitating it.


@paulfree14 well, put it this way: the UN is a shitload better to control these organisations than the US. That is, these organisations should be stateless.

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I'm not to deep into this topic, but just wanting to give an idea of existing projects that try to build a web controled by it's user.


OpenNIC is a user-owned and -controlled top-level Network Information Center that offers a non-national alternative to traditional Top-Level Domain (TLD) registries such as #ICANN.

'Guifi.net is a free, open and neutral, mostly wireless telecommunications community network, with over 33,000 active nodes and about 46,000 km of wireless links...

@paulfree14 @mistressemelia Have you considered running a #tor hidden, and #i2p service.  Self-authenticating endpoints, *practically* uncensorable. Also... everyone knows how to use tor browser, so user adoption is easy!

@boneidol @paulfree14
This particular nightmare scenario is only possible if you're using a browser where the CA certificates are controlled by an adversary (usually your employer, on a work computer).

IMO this is a human rights violation, but it's basically ubiquitous on office networks. Almost unknown on private computers, though.

@gcupc I agree with your human rights violation.  However... it's very common to find it in Bring Your own Device #BYOD situation in corporate or education.   Where the user will be told to install an additional CA to use the network. /cc @paulfree14 @mistressemelia

@boneidol @paulfree14 "I'm sorry, did you just go tell me to ____ myself?"

This is how I feel every time some suggests I use TOR or similar. Like, I'm a fairly technical user, I build software for a living, and I don't really get TOR, so how the hell are non-tech people going to understand it?

@mistressemelia @paulfree14 a tor hidden service would protect you from DNS hassles.  Users go and grab the tor browser bundle and just use that. ".onion" addresses are well known to be associated with #tor, and the Tor project has loads of mind share and documentation. 
For example I'm a big fan of http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion  ..  pirate bay is blocked on many #UK ISP ... #meh!  
I wasn't suggesting that your primary point for engaging with users be a tor hidden service, but having a resilient censor resistant service sounds  ok ? 
Obviously deploying onions has its risks, but they are mostly fixable https://riseup.net/en/security/network-security/tor/onionservices-best-practices 

@boneidol @paulfree14 is there a guide to registering a nice TLD with TOR anywhere? I'd love to see that.

@mistressemelia @paulfree14 https://github.com/katmagic/Shallot https://github.com/lachesis/scallion 
You don't register a name.  the onion address is a hash of the private key of the site. So it's a question of generating enough keys until one looks  pretty.
@mistressemelia @paulfree14 the hash of the public key for the site,  is looked up in a DHT, to get the routing information, same as a bittorrent magnet link finds the file.  But with some anonymity layers thrown in too. It's super interesting crypto/P2P design. 
Another cool project #i2p has lots of similarities https://geti2p.net/en/ 

@boneidol @paulfree14 with both of these, we do still need domain names of some sort so that people can find content easily. It's great if the domain name is just a pretty on top, but it's essential for non-technical users. Same with search.

@mistressemelia @paulfree14 for sure. However once the address is published it can never be removed. We can print the onion on t-shirts and spray paint on walls. It will always work.

@boneidol @paulfree14
It's basically not possible. Facebook basically brute forced one for their onion site, but yeah, onion addresses look like line noise.

@boneidol @MistressEmelia
this page contains instroduction to install ones own home server that can also run as a #meshnet. The standart installation is through using #tor for domain registration.

it's developed by @bob
I guess he can also point you to a easy guide for registering #TDL via #TOR

@MistressEmelia @boneidol @paulfree14 .onion is an explicitly reserved TLD. Or are you talking about something else?

thought in any case it's also important to think about emergency situations.
Here an example that spontaneously erupted in the US after hurricane in #puertorico
Not related directly to #ICANN but showing that we can rethink the current structure and build something different
*wanting to say we don't need to keep the status quo as a base for finding a solution

@MistressEmelia @paulfree14 or better still, decentralized. There is absolutely no need for a central naming authority.

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